Prior to obtaining independence in 1946, Jordan was a British Protectorate, known as Transjordan. They may or may not have the serial stamped into the front part of the fore-end and in the case of the Australian Lithgows it may be stamped into the butt as well. Enfield Rifle For Sale. Each loop does its own job - the middle loop of each is for the biceps - typically retaining at least one keeper to synch down around the middle of the upper arm when in position. The, The very first Maltbys and BSA's produced their own and used the associated early marks for each (large B for BSA, stylized M for Maltby). 5 S.D. You can build more Battery Ammo and .303 at the Chem bench. Over the years I have received many emails regarding serial numbers. Canadian Arsenals produced a run of approximately 5,000 No. It is essentially an updated N0. 1 Mk3 mark III SMLE No4 Mk1 1917 British Parts Lot S at the best online prices at eBay! Weight fully loaded with sling was eight pounds even and overall length a handy 39.5 inches. So it figures that the right S51 is almost always from Hollands and there are less of them due to service attrition than there are real No4Ts that can evidence them. 4 bayonet. The volume of serial number inquiries has prompted me to fashion this page together and try and explain how best to identify a particular rifles manufacturer. Savage marked their bayonets with the letter "S". You must be rich. I markings were reminiscent of how Pattern 1907 bayonets were marked, with the royal cypher, type, and maker. You are using an out of date browser. This No. When the No4T was conceived the cheek piece was transferred / continued. 4 Mk. Stock No: 7B/546 This is a Lee Enfield No. Batch No: Along with the manufacturers name both the date of manufacture and the type and mark of the rifle is also shown. JavaScript is disabled. starting with a 1) indicates it was manufactured by ROF Maltby in Yorkshire, England. But the persistent zero problem became an annoyance. Here is a Hoyt marked MT&B Co made USA 1907 leather sling produced in 1918 which are thought to have made up the contingent of these WW1 supply / shipments. These were supplied to the British under the Lend-Lease Act. Places that will have the serial information is on the bolt, receiver and normally the barrel. 30,000 rod forgings. It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice! During the Second World War, the British government curtailed the use of commercial trademarks to make it more difficult for the Germans to locate (and bomb) factories producing war materiel. 0000002206 00000 n over S376, inside a rectangle. 4Mk. not 8.8 Barrel length is 25 1/4 inches, not 25 2 inches examples with "E", "F" and "S" marks in a bright blued finish (often with a triangle that is a little too tight for the leather 1907 sling). Pattern 1907 Bayonet over stamped 8 (1908) Wilkingson . All Enfield Rifles below are proofed and shoot ready. So they languished deep in the Weedon bunkers. This illustrates just how long after their obsolescence, that bureaucratic inertia can demand retention of items in military stores. 4Mk. $8.69 shipping. In the British war time contract scheme there were 2 phases of demarcation - early / pre-war marks, and later regionalized contractor codes, For mid 1943 and down you are seeking the early war markings from Singer (SM), after that seek the regional producer code (S69 - for Southern region, 69th contractor). 1 rifle), but changes were made to the. I was recently asked to demo how to attach the web sling and its cousin the 1907 leather sling to an No4T for use in the field or range. Thanks to inter-war development, an improved and simplified design was waiting in the wings, and the No. The bayonet exhibits better finishing than most British No. Even the spring plunger is a stamping. III was declared obsolete in 1946. No. Welcome to the forum. Nearly 5 million spike bayonets were reported produced. 2018 at 7:33am: he! Other Nations Service and Replacement - Differing Nations have taken equipment from Great Britain and her colonies over the decades for frontline, secondary and domestic / internal service - Such as Italy and Holland immediately after WW2 - Israel and South Africa in the 1950s and 1960s India and Pakistan have kept their Lee Enfield's up and in reserve until a few years ago. Helve: "M.H.B." 4 spike bayonet. Surplus Lee-Enfield spike bayonet with scabbard/sheath. 4 Mk 1 was made only in America and Canada and featured an additional simplification omitting two parts and some machining operations that allowed the bolt to be removed from the receiver by aligning the bolt head perfectly with a gap in its guide slot along the side of the receiver. I scabbard in web belt frogs made for use with the Pattern 1907 bayonet. However, these scabbards are encountered far too frequently for only 25,000 to have been made. The left side of the receiver is marked "NO 4 MK 1*". . Up Next we have a Lend-Lease Agreement Lee Enfield No.4 MK1 Rifle Chambered in .303 Brit, And this Rifle is in Excell. The M47C is typical, as is the date and TR mark. 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (Converted by Long Branch Arsenal, Ontario, Canada) c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan) . Before the war, Prince-Smith was a manufacturer of machinery for making woolen textiles. Only 75,000 of this type were made. I have encountered some post-war (commercial?) Springfield Model 1795 Type IV Musket with State of New York Markings, US$1,600. These codes may be found on various wartime small arms manufactured in Nazi-occupied Europe during WW2. The Enfield No4 MK1 was one of the most prominent battle rifles ever produced. 4 spike bayonets used by Turkey. I was beautifully made, with its distinctive cruciform blade. Firing mechanism is Enfield pull cocker type, with left side serrated safety lever. The new value of an ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle has fallen ($24.62) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $603.36 . 150.00. You must log in or register to reply here. The factory eventually went on to produce cylinder heads for Davey-Paxman landing craft engines. The Lee-Enfield bolt-action, magazine-fed, repeating rifle was the main firearm used by the military forces of the British Empire and Commonwealth during the first half of the 19th century. Bryan Browns Old Military Markings Web site. 4 Mk. Certain serial number prefixes were reserved for trial rifles and specific rifle types. Sujets similaires I have a couple of No.4 Mk.I's, and they do not have anything like the makings shown. An average example runs about $375 in very good condition at the time of this writing. 3. Four mouthpiece materials have been documented: Zinc Alloy (Mazak), Steel, Aluminum, and brass. II* bayonets from 19421945. The Belgians received Lee-Enfield No. He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. The example pictured at left also carries the Canadian "broad arrow" mark, indicating acceptance into Canadian service. The No. More importantly, everything it makes has the performance to match. Serial number observations suggest about 7,000 were made. It was thought that these may have been used by Australian units serving alongside the British Army, however, Australian issue of these bayonets has not been confirmed. 4 Mk. wide. 1943 went up to 'BL'. Two-piece construction gives the No. "S" inside a square. Both bayonet and scabbard are serial numbered. Magazine is 10 round factory issue, 10+1 rounds . Date Packed: 7/8/57 Qty 1 F Sep 1986 The butt stock itself is a n early war Sykes Limited Normal length piece - much like the original it replaced. The socket was forged by Viners Ltd. US$40 (4 bids) Very good 5 groove barrel. Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 T Sniper Rifle (reproduction). II was, by far, the most numerous variant, with over 3.3million units produced. Scabbard makers included: This uncommon scabbard has parallel sides and is made of very lightweight steel tubing. Our Price: 9.99: No4 Mk1 sight. The other makers were much less prolific. Buy Lee Enfield spike bayonet with scabbard No3 Mk1 No4 Mk2: GunBroker is the largest seller of Bayonets Knives & Swords All: 972734854 . Don(B3)RAOC Primary Pack. Auto Engineering produced approx. 4 bayonets. 4 Mk. The Crown Corporation Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, made approximately 910,000 No. The safety latch style and M47C mark and the SM marked rear sight as as the 1945 examples above. 4 mm. S191 was Franco-British Electrical's dispersal code. Hollands were contracted to produce enough swivels to retro fit all arms found in service and they were provided as an armourer spare part. An increasing consensus is that this simply may be a British viewer's mark, as this mark seems only to be found on Prince-Smith examples. While the Winchester made P14s were recognized as designated man / sniper rifles and developed the remainder, included the 1907 leather slings were relegated to storage and second tier supplies / arms / materials. The "S" was added to indicate the need for this re-zeroing as a subsequent step. Be sure to check out our gun classifieds where you can buy, sell or trade your gear. Savage rear micrometer sights have some unique machining features in the battle peep - which will be missing on the T format versions. 0000000016 00000 n When these rifles were refurbished in the factory, they were given a second black oxidizing or they were painted with a matte or semigloss black paint in the spots where the original finish had worn off. The serial would be correct for early 1944 if it started with a "3" - was the "1" added somewhere else? (45mm.) Hollands being the hand made shotgun and rifle masters took the specified "high street" sourced screws and blued the heads. These rifles can often be identified by the stacking hook welded to the upper band. III rifle also began to take hold, different mounting systems were tried. Similarly Savage rifles that are genuine and completed to a fully scoped "T" are rare and early. The Indians did us no favors scrubbing & remarking as they did. Occasionally, viewer's (inspector's) marks are found on No. 4Mk. 1 scabbards. Hosted by Andy H. Gruff, I don't know but will check mine when I get home tonight and report in if it is on mine. Prior to their creation a variety of WWI sniper rifles were in use. Barrels with two, three, four, five, and six groove rifling were produced. Cheek Piece and Screws - The birch / beech / walnut cheek piece design and material specification were first developed for the No3T - the scoped Pattern '14 rifles. II was otherwise identical to the Mk. II*, all in the UK: Prince-Smith & Stells, Howard & Bullough, Lewisham Engineering, and the Baird Manufacturing Co. 1.4million No. by Steve Hoog 23 Mar 2012, 15:17, Post Seen in the picture above are the normal spots to find the serial number and manufacturers information on the No4 and the No5 rifle. 3 MK. According to Graham Priest, on a rough scale of observations, he indicated that you see 100P.S.& S.Ltd for every circle mark; 150P.S.K for every circle mark, and 500N56 or unmarked for every circle mark. 4 Mk. II* socket bayonet was used in Iraq during the Second World War and by the Iraqi Army after the end of British occupation in 1947. 0000001927 00000 n Along with this will be the model designation, and below this, the serial number. More likely then not,it started life at the Long Branch plant. These prefixes can be used to authenticate these rifles if found in a gun shop or personal collection. 4Mk. 4 bayonet is coated with PX4mineral oil (grease), in a green waxed "primary pack" wrapper. by Saxon Cross 22 Mar 2012, 21:33, Post 4 (T) 303 BRITISH SNIPER RIFLE 1944 . These war time sling swivels were made by Hollands and are typically browned steel. The last picture illustrates an unusual mark, occasionally found on No. There is no US PROPERTY stamped into the top angle of the receiver as well. 4Mk. Home / Firearm Parts and Accessories / Rifle Parts / Lee Enfield #4 MK1. 4 Mk 1* (T) rifle in .303 British made by Savage in 1942. Hollands would mark all rifles that they converted, not spare parts. Also, the Tape Hunt makes a return. Because of its great simplicity, the government was able to let contracts to firms not previously associated with arms production. The Original Condition rifles are in good turn in condition. 2 bids. Of the rifles I have examined this appears 1 in 10 or so times on real rifles - applicable to 1943 to 1946 production. II* bayonets were produced, over a million of which were produced by Prince-Smith. The Lee-Enfield series of rifles is one of the most successful bolt-action rifles of all time. Some SMLEs may be found with as little as a 3 digit number and high as a 5 digit number. The box label indicates that these were packed November 1963, at the 5th Storage Depot. II*, with approximately 84,566 reported produced from 19431945. The demand of new ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle's has risen 8 units over the past 12 months. Specs: Savage Enfield No.4 MK1* Barrel Length: 25" Overall Length: 44.5" Caliber: .303 British Weight: 9lbs Capacity: 10 rounds Price: $600 to $1200 Ratings (out of five stars): Reliability: * * * * * It wasn't made by the French. I have a serial number and FTR on the piece you have a picture of; my date is on the main part of the gun right above where your stuff is. 4Mk. Weight unloaded is Nine pounds even (I weighed it!) It does appear to have been sent thru a re-furbishing and re-build at some time in its life by all the markings not made by Savage. 4 Mk. The rear aperture is calibrated for 300 meters and flips up to become a ladder sight or another aperture sight calibrated for 600 meters depending on the model. deeply-struck "s" The C would make it a Savage, a L would make it a Long Branch. Our Price: 295.00: Gunner Points: 29: Stock Info: 1 In Stock: Parker Hale 8/53 Lee Enfield No4 rear sight (PH1) . 1 for the British military. I will continue to add additional variants as I acquire additional pieces. The No. Where did the replacement Micrometer sights come from? 4Mk. I picked this Enfield up for 250$. It is stamped nothing at all like yours. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. Had a look at Skennerton, and did not find much. %PDF-1.4 % On the opposite side of the RFI 1963 stamp,is there a serial number? :Mr`X cV7AB.D~|rU`z .O l/|~ ; 7{ The entrenching tool was made by William Hunt & Sons, The Brades Ltd., Brades Steel Works, Oldbury, near Birmingham. 0000002083 00000 n . 5,949. My Long Branch No4 Mk1* has the "angled Transition". They may have the numbers stamped into the front portion of the fore-end and on the bottom of the magazine. An increasing consensus is that this simply may be a viewer's mark, as this mark seems only to be found on Baird No. It has been observed that only on No4T rifles, there can be found an "X" mark on the upper left flat on top of the left fore end that holds the receiver wall. The rifle pictured here is a No. by verdenpark 23 Mar 2012, 07:54, Post Something that looks like 12C456 or 12L345. There were basic diagrams and instructions in the various Sniping training pamphlets, however I wanted to add a little more description and variation (with photos. They have a high standard of fit and finish, feel solid and robust and are a joy at the rifle range, where, due to a magic thing near exclusive to Enfields called Positive Compensation, 1000 yard accuracy can . !o, I am hoping to get some help confirming or disproving my theory about this 1963 Indian furbished Lee Enfield No4 Mk1* I bought a few days ago. $15.50. 4 rifles were imported to the USA from Turkey in the mid-2000s. . WIth the No4T there are still a couple of ways to do this - long length of either sling forward or rearward - depending on your stature and preference for adjustment. 0000004719 00000 n Some of these rifles seemed to have laid in stores until the end of the war and then they and and the remains of the BSA marks were furiously converted to "T" status by H&H while the contract lasted. These came together as you see them; bayonet and sheath have "4" painted on. This suggests production by a private contractor that was paid according to the number of pieces accepted. If anyone can help me out I would really appreciate it. 2. BSA from 1943 to 1945 was receiving fore wood and buttstock sets from Sykes Limited in walnut - these were marked S.L. Thanks. The rifle was a No. The left side receiver wall has the "angled transition" (just below the ejector screw) which is a Savage (rather than British-made) feature, so its one or the other of the New World manufacturers, but I don't know if Long Brach also did the same thing? 0000004628 00000 n After hostilities the No4T parts and CES lists were re-standardized with the 1907 USA Leather Sling as a standard (despite the progress and learning). The following makers' codes are noted on some bayonet blades and scabbards, it is quite possible that they may also appear on firearms and related components. The No. British "Enfield" rifles are some of the most iconic small arms in the world. Many, but not all, maker and subcontractor marks are illustrated. Savage-made bayonets are much cruder forgings than those made by either Singer or Long Branch. As the war drew to a close the field feedback resulted in a prototype webbing target style sling being trialed (made by MECo). What this page will attempt to provide is a basic overview of the serial system and where to find them along with the manufacture markings and barrel date stamp that is common on most Enfields. The Sante Fe in the center was completely polished and blued by them to make a premium scoped sporter - they removed the original serial from the wrist and added their own by stamping through the bluing (original barrel serial is still present) this rifle may have picked up the fabricated safety spring at Santa Fe. The schools were also populated by inter-bellum target shooters who had already experienced the Parker Hale and other specialist center / front trigger guard screw replacement sling swivels and various format canvas / webbing slings. The remnants of the wartime marking are lined through and the new marking applied above. This is my first personal Enfield and second in my family. Home Articles Guns & Parts Suppressors Optics & Thermals Ammunition Gear News & Opinion Columns Museums & Factory Tours ID Guides Interviews Event Coverage Articles by Issue Volume 1 V1N1 (Oct 1997) V1N2 (Nov 1997) V1N3 (Dec 1997) V1N4 (Jan 1998) Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over "S" and "B 75" over "1455". My thought is its a Savage No4 Mk1* lend lease made in 1942, It has the ( S ) markings and machine marks, The receiver, barrel, bolt, magazine and stock all have the same Indian furbished serial numbers and the savage markings. 4 bayonet was repacked in September 1986 at Building 3 of the Royal Army Ordnance Corps' Central Ordnance Depot, Donnington. The No. The rod of this example is marked S7, indicating manufacture by subcontractor Auto Engineering Ltd. of Croydon. I like using the triangular sling swivel to deliberately tighten the sling around my hand to grip the fore-end when using a shooting glove, Lee Enfield books by Ian Skennerton - Ideal reference information, Genuine Lee Enfield No4 Mk1 T Parts, Features, Marks and Accessories, Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1945 No4T on the left and an "active service" No4T on the right that had its last service with India, other than the metal being painted with lumpy glossy black paint it is predominantly unchanged, On the left, the scopeless one exhibits all marks as freehand stamps through the blackened surface. 4 spike bayonet was the result of a 20 year series of studies, experiments, and troop trials seeking to find a lighter, handier substitute for the venerable Pattern 1907 bayonet. .303 isn't any different that anything else. Fazakerley also continued to produce the rifle for foreign contracts after the war. About the rifles. The Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947 and replaced the Long Branch trademark used during the Second World War. The other details such as maker, model, and FTR are on the left side of the receiver, either very lightly stamped, or engraved with an electric pencil. The pictures at left illustrate some of the forging marks. SMLEs will have serial numbers stamped on the bolt, receiver, barrel, nose cap and the underside of the rear sight. BO 12151 (the five digit no. This means Royal Ordance Factory Fazakerly, Factory Through Repair, 1949. Following World War II, Fazakerley was the only factory that continued manufacturing the Enfield No. . This updated and expanded edition also has a ready model identification chapter and colour plates. broad arrow proofmark 1943" over "CAT. British Lee-Enfield No7 Mk1/L knife bayonet, scabbard and frog M/78 Date 1954. Don't shoot till you see the whites of their thighs. The rifle was dated 1942 and a lot of the No 4 and some No 1 SMLEs issued to South Africa was eventually sold to the SAP agencies then onto the surplus market. During refurbishment the bulk of German markings were scrubbed (although some waffenampts are still present and evidence of markings being removed is clear), further the original . In 1939, the British soldier was still armed with the same rifle his father, or perhaps even his grandfather, carried. 4Mk. 2" over "Bg" over Crown-JF proofmark over "5171". There are almost 2 years of rifle production that did not receive this triangular sling swivel at the factory and would have it added in service - especially prolonged Cold War British service - it is still possible to encounter a rifle that was an early discharge / loss that never received the triangular swivel update. Prince-Smith & Stells in Keighly, Yorkshire, produced 1,057,515 No. lightly-struck "s" The real loop is similarly for adjusting tautness from the biceps to the butt sling of the rifle when in the firing shoulder "pocket". by gruff27 22 Mar 2012, 20:09, Post #6. Mills Webbing Prototype (Reproduction) Sling. For official references, usually the finished and issued rifle was tracked by its rack number and of course these records have long since been destroyed or lost forever. II bayonets during the Korean War. by verdenpark 26 Mar 2012, 07:11, Post Most of the parts are interchangeable, the only major difference is usually the factory marking, if it is present. BO 12151 (the five digit no. Forging subcontractor marks tend to be very deeply struck. 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